This episode is a reminder that there are people fighting for human leadership, inclusivity, responsible AI and more as we move into the future of work.

FRIED Fam,

In June of this year, I got to work with one of my very favorite clients again (repeat business is so fun when it's people you truly enjoy), the National Council of Nonprofits. I had sessions in the afternoon, so I went to the conference in the morning to listen to Diane Yentel speak.

It was the most inspiring thing I had heard in months.

She brought the power of everything each state had accomplished over the past year. Saving nonprofits from losing tax exempt status, protecting people from ICE, keeping libraries afloat when funding was cut - the list was LONG and it took a long time to go through it.

When she was wrapping up, I was full of inspiration and positivity and had two thoughts.

I should pitch the NCN to host a podcast for them so that more people get this information and we can boost advocacy and morale at the same time
I should have more people that are doing the damn thing on the podcast to remind my listeners that there are leaders and people in power that care

That brings me to this week's guest, Bhushan Sethi, a PwC partner and a man committed to speaking out about inclusion, helping his clients do AI right, and encouraging leaders to center their own self care so they can model well being for others.

In this episode of FRIED: The Burnout Podcast, Cait Donovan talks with Bhushan Sethi, a partner at PwC US Consulting with 25 years in workforce strategy and AI led transformation, about why the business case for preventing burnout keeps failing to land. Bhushan co-authored a G20 T20 policy brief linking workforce wellbeing to GDP growth, and he and Cait unpack a startling number from that report, employee burnout is costing the global economy an estimated 322 billion dollars a year in turnover and lost productivity, with chronic stress pushing that figure toward a trillion. They talk about why transformation projects really fail, why organizations still lack a common framework for measuring wellbeing, and why every leader now needs an actual narrative for AI, not just a tool rollout. Bhushan also opens up about growing up with racism in the UK and how a British accent changed the way the world treated him in the US, and Cait connects that to the biology of microaggressions and inflammation. If you work in HR, People and Culture, or you book consultants and speakers on burnout and AI, this conversation is for you.

Key Topics Covered

Why a 322 billion dollar global price tag on burnout still is not enough to move most organizations to act
The real reason workplace transformations fail (hint: it was never the technology)
Why we still do not have a common framework or shared metrics for measuring workplace wellbeing
Financial wellbeing and sticky inflation as the overlooked piece of the burnout conversation
A simple three part framework for leading through AI: think like an economist, a scientist, and a humanist
Why AI anxiety is really a narrative problem, not a tools problem
The biology of microaggressions: how racism and exclusion show up as measurable inflammation in the body
Growing up with racism in the UK, and how a British accent changed the way Bhushan was treated in the US
Why publicly disclosing workplace wellbeing data might be the push organizations actually need
The coming leadership handoff as boomers and Gen X retire, and why most managers were never trained to lead people

In this episode, we mentioned the following amazing people

Owen Fitzpatrick and his new book, Inner Propaganda. (LINK TO BOOK)

Kristin Scroggin and her work at GenWHY Communications (LINK TO FRIED EPISODE)

Diane Yentel (LINK TO LI PROFILE)

Dr. Natalie Nixon and her Move. Think. Rest book and method (LINK TO FRIED EPISODE)

Suzy Welch and her Becoming You Methodology (LINK TO FRIED EPISODE)

Guest Info

Bhushan Sethi is a partner at PwC US Consulting with over 25 years of experience in workforce strategy and AI led transformation, focused on financial services. He is a World Economic Forum contributor and a G20 T20 task force member, and was honored among the Outstanding 50 Asian Americans in Business in 2025. His insights on the future of work and AI have appeared in the Wall Street Journal, Financial Times, Bloomberg, and CNBC. He teaches strategy consulting at NYU Stern and has run 17 marathons.

https://www.youtube.com/@bhushansethi1

https://www.instagram.com/bhushansethi1

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhushansethi

substack.com/@bhushansethi

Host Info

Cait Donovan is the host of FRIED: The Burnout Podcast and a keynote speaker who has spent the past several years helping organizations understand burnout not as a personal failing, but as a symptom of mismatch between good people and the systems they work inside. Before this work, she spent 15 years as a licensed acupuncturist, working one-on-one with patients to understand how stress, exhaustion, and chronic overwhelm show up in the body long before they show up on a performance review. That clinical background is what shapes her signature approach, the Blameless Burnout™ Middle Out method, which she brings to leadership teams, HR and People functions, and conference stages through her keynote, Mismatch: Why Good People Burn Out in Good Organizations.

Her new book, also titled Mismatch: Why Good People Burn Out in Good Organizations, expands on this work, offering what became, in her own words, a full systems-level diagnostic for stress reduction inside organizations that already have good intentions and are still doing the right things, and are still watching their people burn out anyway.

Book Cait to Speak

Order Mismatch for Your Team

Bulk copies of Mismatch are available for teams, leadership offsites, HR departments, and conference attendees who want to bring this conversation back to their own organizations.

Contact: annick@caitdonovan.com

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